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The Shiny New Penny Problem: Data-Driven Courage for Lasting School Change – with Kelli Marshall Episode 13

The Shiny New Penny Problem: Data-Driven Courage for Lasting School Change – with Kelli Marshall

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From sixth-grade math teacher to superintendent to leadership coach — Kelli Marshall shares how data-driven courage, deep relationships, and a clear “why” can transform schools and the people who lead them.

Kelli Marshall, a proud Indianapolis native and IU Bloomington graduate, has spent her career shaping education across Indiana. Growing up near Butler University and attending Indianapolis Public Schools, her early experiences sparked a commitment to improving outcomes for students regardless of circumstance. She is known for her work as a former superintendent and now as the founder of Vine Elements LLC, where she coaches and consults with school and education nonprofit leaders navigating growth and change.

Kelli reflects on her early teaching years, including the challenges of finding the right role and ultimately thriving as a sixth-grade math teacher in an innovative, open-concept environment. She gained recognition for rigorous instruction and strong classroom management, crediting her success to data-informed decision-making rather than chasing educational trends. Throughout her leadership journey, she witnessed cycles of reform come and go, reinforcing her belief that effective change must be grounded in what works for specific students and communities.

As a superintendent, Kelli led large-scale curriculum and system changes, emphasizing the importance of trust, clarity, and pacing. She shares practical insights on frontloading preparation, using consistent data meetings, and implementing change in manageable doses. Central to her philosophy is building strong relationships with educators before introducing new initiatives, especially in systems fatigued by failed reforms.

Beyond strategy, the conversation explores responsibility, purpose, and the human side of leadership. Kelli discusses how clarifying one’s role, cultivating a trusted inner circle, and staying true to core convictions sustain leaders through the loneliness of the work. Listeners will leave inspired to lead with intention, courage, and compassion — and to remember just how powerful educators can be in shaping lives. Tune in for a thoughtful, grounded conversation on leadership that truly lasts.

Chapters
00:31 🎙️ Meet Kelli Marshall and Her Journey in Education
00:54 🎧 Want a Podcast Just Like This One? Check Out podcastsmatter.com 
01:27 🍎 Early career experiences in the classroom
04:05 🔄 Navigating challenges and change in education
20:27 🏫 How Indianapolis education has evolved over time
22:14 📘 Find Support for Writing Your Impact-Driven Book at booksthatmatter.org 
24:14 🧠 Reflecting on lessons from past experiences
24:47 🚀 New ventures and future goals ahead
26:54 ❤️ Family perspective and personal impact
30:34 🧭 Leadership insights and practical advice
34:10 🌱 If You Are a Leader or Changemaker Looking for Support, Check Out geniusdiscovery.org 
37:28 🙏 Final reflections and gratitude
45:59 🎶 Find More Podcasts That Matter at podcaststhatmatter.org 

Links
Connect with Kelli Marshall to learn more about her work through Vine Elements LLC and explore how intentional, data-driven leadership can create lasting impact in schools and education organizations. 
  
Stronger Consulting: https://strongerconsulting.com
Publish a Book That Matters:  http://booksthatmatter.org
Start a Podcast That Matters:  http://podcastsmatter.com
Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

For more great podcasts like this one, visit https://podcaststhatmatter.org/ 

Stay strong. 

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